Hey excited to find people that I agree with. add more topics though on forum, I would like to see where people stand on other issues. on theology, party activities, and what not..
I personally am tired of seeing Christianity as being represented by YEC s(young earth creationists) and fluff. Like to see some intelligence and more honor placed on the heritage and history.
Funny you should mention Young Earth Creationists. I am one. We shouldn't bicker over such things as this though. We should discuss the condition of America and how the party will fix it. As well as ways to get the falangist message out there.
I am glad you don't. But I do. But only because I want you to be more effective convincing people your position.
Young Earth Creationism
Hello I am here to argue against Young Earth Creationism. It is my position that it is UNBIBLICAL
God did not create young earth with appearance of age, He is not the deciever it is said :"The heavens show God's Glory." Psa. 19:1) First off I find it very easy to argue for existence of God from Cosmological standpoint through the Big Bang Why? Because the Big Bang points to a begining of the Universe.
(Genesis One : In the Begining..")
If there is a begining the Universe did not always exist and thus was created.
Now I am not here to deny the Inerrancy of the Bible. Its important to note however that the Bible is not intended to be a science book. But If one believes in God, then he would also be the God of Science as well.Is 6 day creation taken in literal sense is unbiblical? Yes!
But do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.(2 Peter 3:8)
And this.."Remember His covenant forever, The word which He commanded to a thousand generations,(1 Chronicles 16:15) a thousand generations is much more then 6000 years as young earth creationists believe..
The Bible also deals with many parables and sometimes difficult wording Example,John 10, Jesus tells the story of the Shepard and his flock...[ Jesus used this figure of speech, but they did not understand what he was telling them.
Also its important to Know: The KJV is NOT the Divine book sent by God. It is a TRANSLATION of the Divine word sent by God. When books are translated into other languages the meaning of it can be changed even if ever so slightly
this is the reason there are so many anti ..Christian sites tearing apart the BIble, why do they do this? Because the KJV lends itself to having many contradictions and confusing
aspect to it. Let me give an illustration:
Numbers 23:22 God brought them out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of a UNICORN.
Correct translation: Doauy Rheims.
God hath brought him out of Egypt, whose strength is like to the rhinoceros.
Unicorn means 1 horn. The error in translation is apparent.. the Hebrew word for Rhinoceros roughly translates in English to One Horn.. or Unicorn.. notice the number of horns on a Rhinoceros.
Hebrew is a very different language then English, You must try to understand the orignal intent of the Hebrew words to understand the Words it contains. Hebrew words often have many different functions and meanings, While English has a different word to convey every different shade of meaning...
English is much richer than Hebrew with just under 1 million words in comparision to the Hebrew of less then 80 thousand.
The Hebrew word for day is "yom" this word can also be used to represent an unspecified amount of time.
1 day would actually represent an era, and the morning and evenings of those days are the beginings and endings of those eras.. for example 'day of the dinosaurs..
recomend you learn about Hebrew language..
http://www.jewfaq.org/root.htm An example of this in Genesis 2:4 it says I quote-
This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made earth and heaven Genesis 2:4
All of Creation is Considered ONE Day!
There are much scientifically accurate statements in the Bible that predate the knowledge of the times, keep in mind the language of the times and understanding of the ancient people.
examples of Scientifically Accurate statements in Bible ..
The Bible describes the suspension of the Earth in space.
He spreads out the northern skies over empty space; he suspends the earth over nothing. (Job 26:7)
It is He who sits above the vault (circle) of the earth, And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in. (Isaiah 40:22)
Vault meaning arched structure, this quote appears to define a number of things.. one that the earth is round, the heavens being a curtain sounds allot like a biblical description of the atmosphere. and 'stretching out the heavens' refers to the universe which we know scientifically is continuingly expanding.
"What is the way to the abode of light? And where does darkness reside?" (Job 38:19)
Light is in motion.
"Do you know the ordinances of the heavens, or fix their rule over the earth?" (Job 38:33)
The earth is controlled by the heavens. (Suns Gravitational pull)
The Bible also deals with many parables and sometimes difficult wording Example, John 10, Jesus tells the story of the Shepard and his flock...
[quote user=" "]1"I tell you the truth, the man who does not enter the sheep pen by the gate, but climbs in by some other way, is a thief and a robber. 2The man who enters by the gate is the shepherd of his sheep. 3The watchman opens the gate for him, and the sheep listen to his voice. He calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. 4When he has brought out all his own, he goes on ahead of them, and his sheep follow him because they know his voice. 5But they will never follow a stranger; in fact, they will run away from him because they do not recognize a stranger's voice." Jesus used this figure of speech, but they did not understand what he was telling them.
>
OK now lets take this verse in example,
[quote user=" "]In the morning it [grass] flourishes, and sprouts anew; Toward evening it fades, and withers away. (Psalms 90:6
Does this mean grass grows and dies in one day?
Before the earth and the Sun who knows what God's days are?
Find more on this : Biblical evidence for Long Creation Days : http://www.godandscience.org/youngearth/longdays.htmln06
Here is Day / Age Creationism interpretation : http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/day-age.html Examples
Also a little known fact is that the earth can't be more than 20,000 years old because the magnetic field of the earth decreases 7% every 100 years. So if we increase 7% in the magnetic field going back every hundred years by 20,000 back the earth would not exist the field would be too strong.
Also a little known fact is that the earth can't be more than 20,000 years old because the magnetic field of the earth decreases 7% every 100 years. So if we increase 7% in the magnetic field going back every hundred years by 20,000 back the earth would not exist the field would be too strong.
Thats useless if 6 day creationism is against the Bible. Heres another little fact for you.
If that stars in the sky are so many light years away, it means it took that many years for its light to reach earth. The closest star to the earth other then the sun is Proxima Centuri, and its 4.3 light years away from us. That means it takes 4.3 years for its light to reach the earth... So every time you see that star in the sky you are actually looking 4.3 years in the past.
Currently, astronomers can see about 12 billion light years into the distance.
They are seeing 12 billion years into the past.
besides I saw Jurassic Park, I know how the people Dinasaur relations works out.
Fundamentalist creationism shows a complete lack of imagination.
How long is a "day" to God?
Where in the Bible are Dinosaurs mentioned?
If Science is truth, and the Bible is truth, how can they contradict each other? The answer is, they can't and they don't.
If we can't reconcile Science and the Bible, then it's the fault of our own puny, limited understanding.
We aren't meant to understand everything.
If the fossil record exists, it is because it is a creation of God. Period.
The Earth is as old as it is. Period.
We must learn to distiguish between "moral" and "spiritual" truths which are what the Bible is all about, and "scientific" truth which is the physical record left in the earth. Both are of God. Both are "interpreted" by mankind. Both are forms of truth and therefore cannot contradict. We must have room in our understanding for both.
Theological points aside, all views are welcome here. The CFPA is strictly and militantly ecumenical. All believers are welcome to share thier views.
Fundamentalist creationism shows a complete lack of imagination.
How long is a "day" to God?
Where in the Bible are Dinosaurs mentioned?
If Science is truth, and the Bible is truth, how can they contradict each other? The answer is, they can't and they don't.
If we can't reconcile Science and the Bible, then it's the fault of our own puny, limited understanding.
We aren't meant to understand everything.
If the fossil record exists, it is because it is a creation of God. Period.
The Earth is as old as it is. Period.
We must learn to distiguish between "moral" and "spiritual" truths which are what the Bible is all about, and "scientific" truth which is the physical record left in the earth. Both are of God. Both are "interpreted" by mankind. Both are forms of truth and therefore cannot contradict. We must have room in our understanding for both.
Theological points aside, all views are welcome here. The CFPA is strictly and militantly ecumenical. All believers are welcome to share thier views.
Pelayo / Martel / DTI
the hebrew word for day is yom which refers to an actual day not millions of years. If this is wrong then blame the jews for their narrow mindedness of thinking so.
